| Kevin Rouse | 28/02/2010 19:07:23 |
14 forum posts 26 photos | I'm new to vegetable gardening, I have grown flowers at my old houses for some years. My new house has the back garden on the north side, but is about 6 fence panels long, so gets some sun over the roof – even in February. I live on the Suffolk Coast and we normally have a warm climate, but obviously its a bit saltly. The garden is surrounded by 6ft fences in the back (north) and right (east) and a four foot fence on the left (west). I have dug two 6ft by 8ft beds at the far end of the garden, a slightly raised bad on the east side about 3ft by 4ft and a similar sized cold frame on the west side to get the early morning to early afternoon sun. At the end of the garden on the left side there are some large fir trees that overhang, but my main concern is the water they will suck from the soil. I have also got a small strip in front of the house which I plan to use for excess plants to let my neighbours have free fruit from – only residents tend to pass as our road is on the edge of an estate with no where else to go to via it.
I have manured the left hand bed, the raised bed and the front garden but have left the right hand bed with slow release plant food granules as I read that you shouldn't use manure where you're planting root veg. My books, by the way, are “The Kitchen Gardener”by Alan Titchmarsh and “Allotment – month by month” by Alan Buckingham – along with this magazine.
I have started off my garden with a seed tray on the lounge windowsill by planting onions (Red Baron), Strawberry (Fresca), Tomato (Gardener's Delight), and Sweet Pepper (California Wonder). All these except the Strawberry have been planted on into peat pots (4 onions per pot). I refilled the seed tray with seven lettuce and more Red Baron. I am wondering if it is okay to plant the tomatoes in the peat pots in grow bags/front garden or do they need to be removed to allow the root ball to spread?
I saw in last May's edition of this magazine about growing potatoes in tyres. Apparently you can go to four tyres high, is this just by adding soil as the plants grow or is there another method? I've started my early crop of potatoes (seed ones from a local garden centre) today – I chitted four of them and have planted them as follows. I put newspaper in the body of the tyre and laid it on bear earth with some slow release nitrogen/potassium pellets on then added an inch of soil from a grow bag (Homebase fruit and veg ones), put my chitted potatoes in then filled the tyres with another five inches of growbag soil. I put a second tyre on top, watered it, and placed a piece of glass on top to act as a cold frame, it is situated by the other cold frame, by the way.
I've bought two Bird scarers today – they are the foam “Cats” with glass eyes. I've hung them on two angled canes and they seems to work against a pair of Blackbirds, but I'm not sure the local Magpies and Pigeons will be fooled. Do these work ok? My Granddad used to use plastic “humming strips” but my local Hardware shop and Homebase don't stock it – is it still available? I plan to plant cloves of Garlic(Solent Wight) in my raised bed and seeds for Parsnip(Tender and True) and Leeks(Musselburgh) in mid March straight into the bed without manure. But the ground is a bit wet at the moment. I have also bought seeds for the following plants – most are recommended in the two books, but some varieties were what was available as the recommended ones weren't.
Tomato – Tumbling Tom Red (for hanging baskets) Pumpkin – Jack O'Lantern
Carrot -Autumn King 2
Savoy Cabbage – Traviata F1
Spinach Beet
Salad mixed leaves
Lettuce
Brussel Sprout – Evesham Special If you know any tricks for a small gardener, or advice please let me know. I don't want to have to much of the garden turned over to veg, as my three year old daughter still has to play there too. My budget is limited, but I'd like my daughter to learn about plants and food – and introduce her to new food too. Thanks for any advice, I'll try to keep this thread updated with my successes and failures. |
| Claire Way | 01/03/2010 22:03:12 |
576 forum posts 17 photos | Hi Kevin
I have just read your thread and wish you good luck with your fruit and veg. Nothing quite like growing your own and picking it straight from the garden to eat.I have grown some garlic with good success. I also have neighbours with huge conifers that suck out the moisture and sometime get a bit frustrated with it. I have one raised veg border and grow rhubarb, onions and garlic. I grow tomatoes and cucmbers in the greenhouse and one of my favourite is runner beans. I freeze them when I get too much and is great to use them in the winter.
I think your daughter will love helping you grow things in the garden and it will encourage her to try new foods I expect. Much nicer thangoing to the local supermarket!!
I will look forward to your updates on your progress, good luck
Claire |
| Liz Dobbs 2 | 02/03/2010 13:13:23 |
| Moderator 233 forum posts 4 articles | Hi Kevin Sounds like you are well away. You asked for 'tricks' - I would just mention: * most veg will grow best in a sunny place * remember that after planting/sowing you need to take precautions against slugs - barrier methods work well or you could use slug pellets (organic ones now available) * Old CDs/DVDs strung up usually deter birds for a while *Your three year old daughter might like to try growing a sunflower or some French marigolds? I'm sure you will pick up lots more as you go along! |
| SueA | 04/03/2010 12:22:12 |
328 forum posts 41 photos | Hi Kevin, you sound like you've got everything under control! You ask about planting out tomatoes in their peat pots, they should be fine as the pots will disintegrate once you have them buried in the compost & start watering them & the roots should be able to work their way through.
I think birds can be useful in the garden, they pick off lots of pests such as slugs & aphids so personally I don't try & scare them off. The pigeons may go for your 'greens' though so the best thing to do is cover that area with a fine netting. |
| Kevin Rouse | 24/03/2010 12:57:15 |
14 forum posts 26 photos | Hi again. Thanks for your replies, I've enjoyed reading them. I've been working away from home most of March, but I did get back at weekends to keep on top of the garden and even got some planting done.
Thanks to SueA for telling me that I can plant the peat pots straight into the garden/grow bags. I've been using them to put my other large seeds in the propagator too – the pumpkins have already got one plant showing signs of germination and the sunflowers I put in with my daughter are growing so fast you can see a difference in hours! 9 out of 12 seeds are doing Triffid impressions. I do agree, SueA, that birds can be useful in the garden, but I don't want to use netting except to cover my raspberry bush later in the year. The two foam cats are doing well, but one of the pigeons is getting brave and stands on the grass between the two beds – perhaps it is time to get out the milk bottle tops or some of our old cds, as mentioned by Liz. I invited my parents down for the Saturday of Mother's Day weekend, so that Dad and I could get some time together in the garden, it was a lovely sunny day here on the Costa Del Suffolk – but there was a bit of a wind – I don't mean Dad! He gave me lots of good advice, some garden related, while I raked my un-manured bed ready to plant the root veg seeds and then we decided on the spacing and made the seed drills with the rake. I've planted a row of “Red Baron” Onions in clumps of five or six, its a method in the two books I mentioned before and it means you can have more in the ground while allowing for some to fail to germinated without having too many bare patches, apparently. I also put in a row of Parsnip “Tender and True”, which I see Nick is also doing this month at Barnsdale and also two thinly spaced rows of Carrots “Autumn King2”. I used the final row of the bed to plant some seeds for transfer to other beds, I've done a third each of Leek “Musselburgh”, Brussell Sprouts “Evesham Special” and in the middle of the row is Perpetual Spinach. I popped the rest of those in the front garden bed at either end. I also planted out ten garlic plants “Solent White”, which again Nick is using at Barnsdale. I had a little potter around this morning and can see a nice green shoot coming up from one of them. I've planted them at the corners, and in the middle of the edges, of my two manured beds to hopefully encourage the slugs to keep away – hopefully they may be able to smell them! I've put five of my Tomato “Gardener's Delight” and one Sweet Pepper””California Wonder” plants (grown from seed in peat pots) into two grow bags, one behind my right-hand bed against the south facing fence and one against the fence facing east for the early to midday sun. I've used some twine along the top of the fence panels and three verticals coming down from each one, going under the growbag and around a stake for a cordon to help support the plants as they grow. I've made the verticals into a “fan” to help spread the plants out as they grow. They are currently growing under a 2litre lemonade bottle each, to act as a cloche/greenhouse to keep the wind off and stop them drying out in the sun. I had already started off my early potatoes in the last post, I'm using two tyres and a sheet of glass, with a small air gap – so far there is nothing to see, but my Dad tells me to be patient and I'll see shoots soon. What do I do when I see them? Do I put more soil on to encourage them to grow up after a few leaves have formed? I want to leave them in to grow quite large as I'd prefer to have some decent jackets rather than steaming them as new potatoes, ok – maybe just a few then! I've also started an indoor mushroom farm. I've followed the instructions on the box and left it in the airing cupboard for a couple of weeks, on Sunday I brought them down to the dining room and have propped the lid on the little sticks. I can see some tiny white dots in the compost – hopefully they will be the start of the crop. Apparently you can get three crops from the kit, and then dig the soil into your garden. Last weekend I came up with a hopefully clever solution – I hadn't really got time to prepare the soil where my cold frame was sitting on the grass, so I decided to plant out some of my seedlings into it after moving it on to the left hand bed. In one stroke saving time, keeping the pigeons off my seedlings, and depriving the local cat of it's toilet. It did seem a bit like the cat bird scarers were acting as WC signs for the cute little sod. I have planted the rest of my soil based propagator, (as opposed to the peat pot ones), seedlings into the cold frame, that's strawberry plants “Fresca”, onions “Red Baron”, sweet pepper “California Wonder” and Tomato “Tumbling Tom Red”. I have also stared off some seeds in there too, savoy cabbage “Traviata F1”, leeks “ Musselburgh” and Brussell Sprouts “Evesham Special”. There is also a row of the Traviata F1 in the small raised bed on the other side of the garden. I have also carefully planted out the three remaining lettuce - there were ten of them in a propagator but suddenly seven of them collapsed and died with no apparent reason, everything else in the propagator was fine. So the watering routine has started in earnest, I'm popping out now and then to check for weeds/germination and signs that Mother Nature is tending them as well as she can. Thanks for your interest, |
| SueA | 24/03/2010 13:22:23 |
328 forum posts 41 photos | Hi Kevin, good to hear things are going well, you sound as though you've got 'greenfingers' from your dad!
I'd be careful with your tomatoes though. If you're growing them outdoors it's best not to plant them out until after the last frosts but as you've got the bottles over them they'll get some protection, I'd just remember to cover them with something else as they get bigger to protect them until the weather warms up.
With your potatoes you should 'earth them up' when the shoots get about 4-6 inches tall & just leave the very tips showing & keep doing this each time they grow through. It depends partly on the variety how big your potatoes will get. Earlies are usually smaller but if you leave them in longer they will 'fatten up' a bit, also they say if you rub some of the 'chits' off & just leave one or two growing points on each seed potato you get fewer but bigger potatoes but it's a bit too late for you to do that now you've got them planted. |
| Claire Way | 24/03/2010 20:17:05 |
576 forum posts 17 photos | Hi Kevin
Well I don't think I can give you any advice on vegetable gardening, but have learnt a lot from you!!! I have been so lazy with the garden as it has been such a cold and long winter. You have now inspired me to get out there and start doing something!!
I am still using the garlic I grew last year which is very satisfying but now need to start off some seedlings at the very least!!
Thank you for updating us all on your gardening and hope you may add some photos of all your successes!
Claire |
| Kevin Rouse | 24/04/2010 22:54:13 |
14 forum posts 26 photos | Is it really a month since I last wrote on here? The change in the garden is huge, now cutting the lawn every week and some of the plants are doing really well. The biggest change is my potato tyre – I've now got proper plants sitting up on the top of the first earlies and have earthed them up, but taken the second tyre off for a while, so that they can get some sun and wind through their leaves. I'll put the second tyre back on when they get big enough to be fully earthed up – there is one small shoot at the front which needs to catch up to the rest. I've also started two more tyres off with potatoes from a friend at church. I went to my local tyre garage and asked if I could have half a dozen scrap tyres and they said help yourself, so I was driving a car with 11 tyres! I popped in to Homebase and got four bags of multi-purpose compost for the price of three (£13.47) on the way home. Obviously my wife is thrilled to have a back garden looking like a recycling plant with the 8 tyres and 5 helicopter windscreens plus reclaimed wood (at least it's been painted to match the fence!). It'll be worth it in the end. I ordered a 330 litre compost bin from my local council the other day and saved a bit of cash and discovered that they are going to be giving away “soil improver” soon. If you're local to Felixstowe check out http://www.suffolkcoastal.gov.uk/yourhome/waste/composting/default.htm for more info and to get your discounted bin. I've also got some new seeds since last time, a real bargain at Homebase – 300 “Cherry Belle” Radish seeds from the Value range for only 39p. I've popped two rows in already and they are both coming up very successfully so far. I've also put in two rows of Thompson & Morgan Spring Onions “Winter White Bunching”, which are harvested in about 8 weeks and apparently overwinter too, might need to look up what that means, I assume I put them in my cold frame and they will grow in early spring as the ground warms up. My daughter got some “Baby Salad Leaf Mix” from the RSPB on her YOC magazine, so we planted them today in a propagator to leave out in the sun, it'll keep the birds off them as they grow. Hopefully I will have more luck with them than I am with my lettuce. I got them with a propagator from Homebase, but they germinated then died, except for three which I transferred to my cold frame that are coming on really well. I've tried three times now to sow lettuce, but they seem to either wilt or rot – maybe I'll just have to plant them straight in to one of the outside beds and see if they survive, they don't seem to like being started indoors. I'm also not happy with my carrots, I think maybe mid March was a little to early for them as the two rows don't seem to have got going yet, perhaps I'll try a few seeds in between the two rows to see if they germinate, then put some more in. I've put carrots and parsnip in the front garden to see if they start growing there either. On the plus side again, my garlics have all come up and are doing really well. I've put one clove from a garlic I bought at Tesco in to see how it compares to “Solent Wight”. I think I might let one go to seed this year instead of saving one whole garlic to break up next year – is this a good idea, or shall I just buy a new one next year? I put some “Tumbling Tom Red” into two hanging baskets and left them under glass leaning against the cold frame to keep the frost off, they've now germinated and so hopefully I'll have 8 plants of these tomatoes on the front of the house as well as the 10 “Gardeners Delight” that are growing – I've also got five GD's in reserve in the cold frame just in case the others get hit by tomato blight. I've put four strawberry plants from Homebase (99p each) into a container by back fence as my wife promised my daughter some home grown strawberries this year, not knowing that I was planning to pinch any flowers off my “Fresca” to promote good growth for stronger plants and better fruit next year. I've bought “Matis” & “Elsanta” and two perpetuals “Albion” & “Everest” to see which ones we like the taste of too. Have you been watching the BBC2 program “The Edible Garden” - it's got lots of good tips and information, I've been saving it on my Sky+ box, might have to burn it to DVD, or perhaps I'll be lucky enough to get the book for Father's Day. Its a spin off from Gardener's World, it is about Alyce's (hope that is spelt right) own garden, she is trying to be self-sufficient in veg/salad. It really is good – try the BBC iplayer if you've missed it. Another good thing I've been looking at is the seed catalogue from DT Brown, loads of information about the various plants in there, where as the two books I mentioned in my first post list recommended types they don't tell you too much about them. Of course the new Gardens Monthly magazine is great, very interesting bit about how long seed can last and still germinate. Thanks again for any comments you've made, or would like to make – I've put more photos on my album, and I'll keep updating them. Edited By Kevin Rouse on 24/04/2010 23:04:12 |
| SueA | 26/04/2010 22:39:45 |
328 forum posts 41 photos | Hi Kevin, you've been really busy again haven't you! I've been watching 'The Edible Gardener' & think it's useful for beginners to veg. growing & I love the dog! It's good that they're showing some of Alys's failures as well as successes, even the experts can lose crops too, it made me feel better about losing a lot of my outdoor tomatoes to blight last year. If you're interested in the book by Alys which accompanies the series it's on offer from 'The Book People' for £7.99, good bargain. |
| Kevin Rouse | 12/05/2010 22:28:09 |
14 forum posts 26 photos | Hi. It looks like the potato tyres idea works – my first earlies are at the fourth tyre in the tower – I do put them on individually, not all at once. The earth is just about at the top of the third tyre, just waiting for one of the plants to get a little higher before I earth it all up to the top of the tower. My maincrop have just started to break through the earth of the first tyre in their towers, two on each pile for those at the moment. The cold frame is doing great, I've three lovely looking lettuce in there and a row of lettuce seedlings coming along to. The strawberry plants are getting big now, I've got some planks that I'm planning to make a growbag table with for them to grow on next year, as seen in the current magazine. I'll make sure to take any flowers off them this year to get a bumper crop next year. The onions in the cold frame are growing well – as is the pumpkin plant – in fact its huge compared to the ones outside. I'm going to collect more boxes for another cold frame, or maybe even two. My compost bin has arrived, I need to find a sunny spot that it will sit in to keep it warm and speed up the process. Not really sure where it can go, perhaps I'll move the left hand bed forwards a little so that it can sit under the tree and block the hole in the fence, as well as be in the sun for most of the day, the smell will be away from the house then too. The cabbage and Brussels sprouts are taking hold ok, the right hand bed is still under netting, so hopefully that will keep the brassica predators away for a bit. I should be able to keep the bed under the net as I won't be needing it for the fruit on the raspberry bush as it shouldn't fruit this year either. My leeks have taken a good hold too, some of the ones in the front have been taken by slugs and a very large snail that I removed the other morning, he was too full to move away from the bed before I got the milk in. Shame we haven't got some Thrushes around here. My neighbour has agreed to let me dig up the bit of ground in front of our bins, between the houses, to use as a veg patch too. I think I'll put a bit of fence in to slow the wind tunnel down and use the area to plant my sweetcorn. A bit of a risk as it is in the front of the house, but I didn't realise how much room 35 sweetcorn plants were going to need! Hopefully it will be ok there and there will be a good breeze to pollinate them. I'm getting a little impatient for a crop now, the potatoes should be ready soon, and I'd love to pull up a lettuce, but they are still a bit “hollow”, and the spring onions seem to be on strike, they've been up ages but just haven't gone anywhere – perhaps they are getting ready for a big push soon. I did “thin” a radish out yesterday to see how it was doing, it had a tiny purple ball about 3mm wide, so they should be starting to grow soon. I'm really looking forward to the leeks – but this waiting will kill me! Edited By Kevin Rouse on 12/05/2010 22:32:27 |
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